Season 3 – Episode 11 – Staying Safe in a Dangerous World (with Moose Moore)
TAJCI:
He was a fighter pilot dedicated to the service with all he had. Even God and family came in second as he says. But then something changed and Moose Moore’s life was turned upside down. In today’s episode of Waking Up in America we talk about how the tragedy of 9/11 triggered his passion to protect those most vulnerable and empower them to live safely in a dangerous world.
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TAJCI:
Moose, thank you for being a guest on Waking Up In America.
MOOSE:
Well, thank you for inviting me. I’m honored to be here.
TAJCI:
So was Moose your fighter name?
MOOSE:
Yeah call sign name. Call sign. So it was my call sign but I have a twin brother… we went in the service together and when I was actually in high school one of the coaches named me, “You’re a moose. You’re a moose.” when I was 15. Well, it was kind of a quiet call sign or nickname until I got into the service and my twin brother and I went to flight school together and so it followed me when I went into flight school and then it followed me as a fighter pilot.
TAJCI:
It’s a great name. Let’s introduce what you do to our audience.
MOOSE:
Okay.
TAJCI:
You are a founder and principal teacher of the Vigilance Group.
MOOSE:
The Vigilance Group was born out of… you mentioned 9/11. From 9/11 I tried to go back in the service. I’ve been retired for a while and they wouldn’t take me. I was very disappointed because I wanted to… I felt like I could contribute again and I kind of understood what our nation was going to go through and we’re still going through that, by the way.
TAJCI:
Yes.
MOOSE:
You know, we’re still under attack in lots of ways so
TAJCI:
Life-changed for all of us.
MOOSE:
It still has and so because of that I started doing some anti-terrorism work in our own country because I felt like if I can’t go into service and fight overseas then I’ll try to fight here inside our borders and try to protect. That was my mission.
TAJCI:
So the Vigilance Group is…
MOOSE:
Yeah.
TAJCI:
You’re teaching
MOOSE:
I’m teaching people how to live safely in a dangerous world. What I’ve learned is that most people don’t fully understand how to stay safe. It’s understanding what vigilance means. It’s a simple word in our English language but I try to make people understand how to recognize when something’s wrong and how to respond to it. So what we teach in Vigilance is awareness and avoidance and then action of some sort. I call it a skill set.
TAJCI:
Yes.
MOOSE:
You know, for 20 years in the service I learned how to be aware of so many things. I know that, as a fighter pilot we didn’t talk about this, but when you’re closing in a thousand nots closure and you’ve got seconds to make a decision from 10 miles away you have to recognize danger or you have to know how you’re going to handle it long before you get to that, as we call it, “the merge”—the fight. So I took that analogy and said I’ve got to teach people how to recognize danger long before it happens to them.
TAJCI:
Yeah.
MOOSE:
so they can make a decision.
TAJCI:
And these days when we all walk like this.
MOOSE:
Yes.
TAJCI:
With our phones.
MOOSE:
Well, today with the iPhones and not paying attention.
TAJCI:
Yes.
MOOSE:
And yes. We’re in more trouble than we’ve ever been.
TAJCI:
Yeah and even maybe it’s not even technology as much as you know, we like to be in our little bubbles I noticed.
MOOSE:
Yeah. I call that location immunity. We think we’re safe. One of the things that we teach, we teach regardless where your environment is—you could be the safest part of your hometown but you’re really not safe. You have to understand that not everybody thinks like you do. You know, we have this ability to think, “Well, I’m a good person. I would never hurt someone. No one would ever hurt me.” And you’ve got to understand that there’s there’s evil out in this world. And so I try to just bring it to the forefront. You have to put it in someone’s brain sometimes for them to understand it.
TAJCI:
But you don’t want to create paranoia.
MOOSE:
No, absolutely not.
TAJCI:
Right? Because I want to walk down the street and I want to see someone who might look like, you know, I don’t know, a person that I think would be, I think would be dangerous.
MOOSE:
Yeah.
TAJCI:
But I think, “No, they’re a beautiful human being and I’m gonna…”
MOOSE:
And I totally agree with that. In fact that we call it behavior. It’s not only looks. And so the Israelis taught me—when I was with the Israelis they said, “You know, in the Mediterranean we all look the same.”
TAJCI:
Right.
MOOSE:
So you have to look at the behavioral indicators—it’s what their behavior is. And so a lot of times I’ll tell women that I train, a man with no purpose. What does that mean, a man with no purpose?
TAJCI:
Oh I can tell you.
MOOSE:
Yeah, yeah. And because you can recognize that, you’ve seen that before when you’re walking. And so that’s the kind of thing we have to recognize. That doesn’t mean you’re paranoid, you’d worry yourself out being paranoid but you need to change the way you think, some of your habits. You lock your door. You’re not on your cell phone all the time. You make sure you don’t park in a dark garage or you’re with someone when you go to the grocery store at five in the morning or six in the morning. Those are just these little simple things.
TAJCI:
Sounds to me like you’re awake and you are walking through this world awakened. We’re talking to Moose Moore, founder and principal teacher at the Vigilance Group. And when we come back we’ll explore his turning point in his life that shifted him into the work he does today.
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TAJCI:
We’re talking to Moose Moore, the founder and principal teacher at the Vigilance Group. Thank you for all the work that you do.
MOOSE:
Well, I I feel like it’s God’s work. I feel like there’s a reason I’m doing this.
TAJCI:
So yeah and so we’re going to get to that point –like how did you how did you know, become awaken that it’s God’s work?
MOOSE:
That’s a good question. You know, I flew in the service for 21 years.
TAJCI:
Tell me how does that feel when you’re in that fast plane?
MOOSE:
You know I realized that I’m probably in a very small percentage of people that have done that. I didn’t want to be a pilot. I had no idea. I lost my father into a fighter crash when I was a small child so maybe I had a fear, I’m not sure. But it obviously was in my DNA. So when you fly a fighter it’s part of your body—it’s just part of who you are. And so I did that for a long time but at the 18-year point—and you should be kind of alluded to this—flying was the most important thing. If they said, “Go,” I went. I might talk to my wife or I might not. There was no cell phones back at that time.
TAJCI:
You’re still married to your wife?
MOOSE:
I’m still married to her 45 years later. Good woman. But the point was that I did everything for flying. Family and God came somewhere down below that. At the 18th year point—so I’m 40 years old, I’m flying the hottest fighter in the world and then one of my young men that works for me said, “Hey, you want to fly tomorrow against some airplanes off the Atlantic Ocean to practice.” And I said, “Certainly, I’ll do that. That’s every man’s dream, is to dogfight.” And then I said, “Wait a second.” I pulled out my little day planner back in the day and I looked at the schedule and my daughter was in junior in high school and I said, “Wait a second. She has a softball game tomorrow. I can’t fly tomorrow. I gotta watch her play softball.” And I mean I’d no sooner said that was when I realized that my life had changed.
TAJCI:
Wow.
MOOSE:
That it was time for family. I still tell people I get family and God somewhat confused. That’s a hard thing to do.
TAJCI:
It is. But well because we learn to love God through our families.
MOOSE:
Yeah, so I’m very rich in family. So it was a good decision for me. I got out at 20 years when I was still young enough.
TAJCI:
Yeah. Let me just, I want to go deep into that feeling. That day that you, okay, so here’s you’re torn. What did it feel like?
MOOSE:
Well I think that in certain ways it’s a relief. I think the whole time that you’re competing and you’re in the service you are competing. It’s a competition constantly.
TAJCI:
Right. So you had to kind of defeat your ego at that point.
MOOSE:
My ego was pretty large. It always was. We had to have a large ego to fly fighters and had to always realize that— I still call myself the second greatest fighter pilot. I’m not sure who the first one is. But the point was when I did make that decision I realized it was the right decision and so for the next year and a half or two years it was easy to deal with. I knew what I was going to do. I knew that I was going to get out. Now after I got out it was, I regretted it sometimes. I would say, “Why did I do that?”
TAJCI:
And those moments were?
MOOSE:
I would start wandering in my head. But I don’t do that anymore. I realize why I’m doing this.
TAJCI:
And so then it was again your daughter that that brought you to the second turning point.
MOOSE:
Yeah, it was. In fact, it was the same daughter, as a matter of fact. So for the record I have three children and I have 10 grandchildren. And so my my oldest daughter is who I decided I had to watch play softball. She was also a sorority mentor or an advisor at the college level and she was a young mother. This was in 2008.
TAJCI:
After 9/11. After you already tried to.
MOOSE:
After 9/11 I was trying to do anti-terrorism work and with Israelis in the United States and then there was this tragic assassination— not assassination, a mass attack at Virginia Tech where 31 college kids were killed and then I started shifting gears and saying maybe I need to pay attention to what’s happening with our young people and within the borders of theUnited States. So in 2008, my daughter calls me and at the time I was part of the Air Marshal Service. I was doing part of that in my other job that I had. I’m retired from that so I can say that. And my daughter called me and said, “Dad, there’s been a tragedy at this university. A little girl was abducted and killed.” The first homicide at that University in 150 years. And she said, “Dad when you were in the service you used to teach us how to escape and survive. I have two beautiful daughters and still do. So she said, “Would you come speak to my sorority?” There’s a hundred girls in that sorority. I said, “Absolutely. I’ll be there in two days.” And I spoke to 2,000 girls. And when I spoke to those 2,000 girls I realized what my mission was and that’s what, it is where I am right now. I call it my God’s work. There’s a reason and I’ve reflected on this a lot why God kept me alive and I could count on my hands—both hands the number of times I probably should have not be here.
TAJCI:
Wow.
MOOSE:
But really, there’s a reason for that now so it’s my passion.
TAJCI:
After having such wonderful two careers, successful careers now, Moose is stepping into being a protector of those most vulnerable and his life shifts again. When we come back we’ll talk a little bit more about the Vigilance Group and how you and I can benefit from his work.
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TAJCI:
We’re talking to Moose Moore, the founder of the Vigilance Group who teaches us how to live safely in a dangerous world. So here you are talking to 2,000 girls at the college.
MOOSE:
Yes.
TAJCI:
Did you feel that could have been my daughter?
MOOSE:
Well no, absolutely. In fact, I I didn’t know that I had a business coming out of this. I went there specifically because my daughter was hurting alone of the young adults there and these girls were scared to death and as a matter of fact by the time I got there they just caught the the person that did the killing. But they were still frightened because they didn’t know what to do, they didn’t think a walk the streets coming of the dormitories and so for me it was it was a feeling of pride. I didn’t have any audio visual support I just was staying at the podium talking using my hands and talking about how to look for things and how to react. And I was just trying to plant the seed. Our young people… I’ve learned this through all the studies I’ve done. You know, your insurance companies won’t rent a car to anyone under 25 years of age and there’s a reason for that. it’s just that it’s the little developmental stage and a person’s maturity level
TAJCI:
And I understand you don’t have as much fear at that time.
MOOSE:
That’s exactly right. You just don’t recognize it. So I wanted to make sure… It’s an ugly subject. I tell parents all the time, “This is an ugly subject. Nobody wants to talk about it. As parents we don’t want to talk about it. I will tell you this, because it’s very important. This came out three years ago, the girl that was murdered at the University, I invited her father three years after her death because I honored her and I wanted him to know I was honoring his daughter and I used her image and I used her story. So I invited him and he called me six months later. I was on my cell phone. I wasn’t sure who it was. And he calls me and says, “Moose, this is Jim,” and he stated his last name. My heart sunk. I didn’t want to talk. I knew who that was. He was the father of the college co-ed. And he said, “ Thank you very much for inviting me,” he says, “It means a lot to me that you would use my daughter to try to help other children. He’s says, “But I can’t come. It’s too soon.”
TAJCI:
Yes.
MOOSE:
It was three years later and then he says this to me and he says “I never taught her anything,” and he stopped talking and I could feel the tears just rolling down his cheeks and I said, “It’s not your fault. There’s there’s evil out there and so that’s that’s what drives me right now.”
TAJCI:
You know, I grew up in Croatia, in a different culture and maybe we just listened to the old people more. We had time to, you know, spend a lot of time with our grandparents. So they pass down their knowledge I don’t know what I would teach my sons.
MOOSE:
I’m a parent so I understand that. We as parents don’t want to scare our children, and I hear that from a lot of parents, “Well, I don’t want to scare my child,” and
TAJCI:
Well and you don’t want them to be mistrustful and bring that paranoia in.
MOOSE:
Yes, yes. So what you just have to teach them, and you can do role playing and you can say, “Well what how would you handle this? And what if somebody came to you and asked for this, this question?” And so for children it’s a fine line but as they get to be 13, 14 years of age you’re not scaring them anymore. They’ve seen plenty… our media…
TAJCI:
Right.
MOOSE:
It allows that. And so I I tell these young people that then you have to recognize when it’s dangerous and if it doesn’t fit don’t go there and just be smart about it. It’s hard for parents to tell their own child anything that they’re going to try to listen to especially when it’s about danger but I do think there’s a point… I tell people all the time, “Give me give me your child for two hours I can try, I can change your life.”
TAJCI:
And I understand you do this in schools, in colleges, in churches and organizations.
MOOSE:
Yeah.
TAJCI:
You are a small group.
MOOSE:
Yes
TAJCI:
And you mentioned to me some of your friends or you hear people say we try to boil the ocean.
MOOSE:
Yeah.
TAJCI:
That’s great saying.
MOOSE:
You know what, I’ve come to try to save one at a time.
TAJCI:
Yes.
MOOSE:
Just one at a time. It’s that story where you can only do so much. My ego is now set aside that I don’t have to speak the thousands at a time. Give me 10.
TAJCI:
Yes. But as you empower others, as you teach others, you know, then we become a culture of teaching that. You know, people like yourself who have the gift
MOOSE:
Yes
TAJCI:
to teach and pass it on, that’s all.
MOOSE:
Yes, that’s what we’re trying to do.
TAJCI:
Yes. And you know, the way I met you was our crew that produces, my husband produces our show produced your video
MOOSE:
Yes
TAJCI:
And that’s one way to let people know
MOOSE:
We’re going to do more. We realize that we have a message that people can learn. It’s not about trying to teach one to be a martial artist, to be a fighter. That’s not what it’s about. It’s about understanding vigilance and awareness and how to respond. And everybody can learn to do that and that’s our goal. We’re going to try to reach out and touch as many as we can.
TAJCI:
Thank you and I don’t think, you know, like I said earlier, I think that just brings us even more into that awareness and then not just be afraid, of not being just aware of the danger around us but also we become aware of all the good things around us.
MOOSE:
Absolutely. I’m gonna encourage that.
TAJCI:
Yeah. We’re talking to Moose Moore. When we come back we’ll have some more fun stuff for you.
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TAJCI:
We’re here with Moore Moore and now it’s time for one word answers.
MOOSE:
Okay.
TAJCI:
Are you ready?
MOOSE:
Let’s try.
TAJCI:
I love these. What makes you most alive?
MOOSE:
Air.
TAJCI:
What is your biggest challenge?
MOOSE:
Weight.
TAJCI:
One thing you would change about yourself?
MOOSE:
My temper.
TAJCI:
If you could have anything in the world, it would be?
MOOSE:
A P-51
TAJCI:
What’s that?
MOOSE:
A fighter plane.
TAJCI:
Wow. What one thing would you give to your daughter today for her 16th birthday?
MOOSE:
Martial art lessons
TAJCI:
Nice. Your hobby?
MOOSE:
Exercise
TAJCI:
Last book you read?
MOOSE:
The Bible
TAJCI:
Favorite sports?
MOOSE:
Hockey.
TAJCI:
Music or silence?
MOOSE:
Music
TAJCI:
Forest or ocean?
MOOSE:
Forest
TAJCI:
East or west?
MOOSE:
West
TAJCI:
Sailing or parachuting?
MOOSE:
Parachuting.
TAJCI:
Chocolate or carrots?
MOOSE:
Chocolate
TAJCI:
Coffee or tea?
MOOSE:
Coffee
TAJCI:
City or country?
MOOSE:
Country
TAJCI:
Your favorite hero?
MOOSE:
John Wayne.
TAJCI:
Wow. You’re most grateful for?
MOOSE:
My faith.
TAJCI:
All that our world needs is?
MOOSE:
More faith
TAJCI:
If I could abolish anything from the earth it would be?
MOOSE:
Sex trafficking.
TAJCI:
This year you claim?
MOOSE:
Freedom.
TAJCI:
Thank you.
TAJCI:
Okay, so I have viewers that, you know, I let them know who my guests are going to be and so Stanley David from Detroit, Michigan was mugged once walking out of the library. He wants to know what would you do if you are in the library and there’s a shooter? In those situations, he says there’s no amount of prevention that could have prevented the emergency situation.
MOOSE:
Okay
TAJCI:
So what would you do?
MOOSE:
I get asked this question a lot.
TAJCI:
Yes.
MOOSE:
And I don’t call active shooters I call them active murderers, that’ll be coming to a place. So if someone were to come into the room that I cannot run from, if it’s in the room, in the library and I’m there, I’ll pick up a chair, I’ll pick up a table. You’ll have a human strength, superhuman strength and I would attack him. I would attack the attacker because if you stay where you are you’re probably going to die that day. So my philosophy is to attack the attacker. That’s what the Israelis taught me. And I would pick up a table or chair. They can deflect a lot of bullets and I’m gonna go after him. We teach from that scenario, if everybody were to pick something up and throw it because there’s a reflex that you just can’t control as a person. And then once they move you can close a lot of distance very quickly. But I have to get my hands on the shooter and hopefully I’ve had help. But I would go for the shooter and believe it or not you’ll have strength that you wouldn’t know that you had.
TAJCI:
Yes, and I would probably just pray that somebody like you is in the room with me. So if there’s one thing that you could teach me?
MOOSE:
I think the most important thing and I think this works for men as well
TAJCI:
Okay, should actually put this down?
MOOSE:
Put your iPad down. So it’s when you sense danger and when you sense that you’re uncomfortable I build defence. And defence is just from here. So if you just notice what I did, I immediately put one foot forward for balance. So I’m in a neutral position. You’re neutral, your feet are together.
TAJCI:
Right.
MOOSE:
I would take one foot. Are you right-handed or left-handed?
TAJCI:
Right-handed
MOOSE:
I would just take that left foot and put it out slightly.
TAJCI:
Okay, hold on. I want to do the whole thing.
MOOSE:
Okay.
TAJCI:
So I’m walking and I am sensing that something…
MOOSE:
And I’m a approaching you now.
TAJCI:
Something’s happening
MOOSE:
I would stop and I would turn and I would go, “No.” And I would put my hands up.
TAJCI:
Wait. I’m coming at you.
MOOSE:
I’m the bad guy.
TAJCI:
Okay.
MOOSE:
You’re coming down the street
TAJCI:
So I’m just walking
MOOSE:
And you should never allow me to get this close to you
TAJCI:
Right.
MOOSE:
So somewhere here you probably would say, “Get away.” Put your hands up. But it but if I got this close to you from here you have to show position of strength. And I do that by put my hands up in front of my face. So put your hands up just like that. And you’re strong here. So you’re at this is an outside 90.
TAJCI:
Okay
MOOSE:
So I can’t push away. And if you think about it, put your hands up, you can block me. But from here, most importantly, if I came in this in and I would take this palm strike and I would—it’s called a hill palm strike—right here, that hard. And hit me as hard as you could right in the nose. And it would stun me because there’s not a person alive that can take a hit to the nose. And I would take that palm and I would hit as hard as I can in the nose. If he doesn’t release, I would hit it again. And then take those fingers and I go right for the eyeballs.
TAJCI:
Okay.
MOOSE:
We are the most vulnerable. Men are the most vulnerable from here. You’ve got your respiration, you’ve got nerve and blood. And you, in this you can do a lot of damage here
TAJCI:
So for me I would want to practice that before… so that’s how I operate.
MOOSE:
Yeah.
TAJCI:
I can be efficient in a crisis situation if I am, if I can practice.
MOOSE:
Sure, you can practice that in front of the mirror. You can practice that with your partner.
TAJCI:
Okay. With my husband
MOOSE:
And with your husband, with a friend. I would at least get used to it in itself. And you have to be very, your best weapon is your voice. A lot of people raise their daughters be gentle spirits, not to fight baby brother, not to pull hair, not to scream, do everything very ladylike, and we send them off and they’re totally unprepared. And so I just want people to understand that you can be strong as a female. You’re plenty strong. Right now you could. And here’s what I tell women that are moms, I always ask, “How many moms do we have in audience?” and then, “How many mama bears do we have in the audience?” What would you do to protect your child?
TAJCI:
Yes.
MOOSE:
You’d do anything.
TAJCI:
Anything
MOOSE:
You would do anything. And you would pull out whatever you had inside to protect the life of your children.
TAJCI:
Yes, absolutely. You’re so right. We are conditioned to be gentle.
MOOSE:
Sure, sure.
TAJCI:
To not go there. So we even like take away that
MOOSE:
Yeah
TAJCI:
That ability, that knowledge. I want to know that I can.
MOOSE:
You can.
TAJCI:
Yes
MOOSE:
It’s about confidence and it’s about being loud. And most women don’t want to make a scene
TAJCI:
Right
MOOSE:
We’re taught to be nurturers and take care of them
TAJCI:
Oh, I have no problem yelling
MOOSE:
Yelling could be your best weapon. And you’re screaming and yelling from the bottom of you in guttural…
TAJCI:
There you go.
MOOSE:
As you can and that’s a very great weapon, and the hands up.
TAJCI:
Thank you. And we will have links to your website.
MOOSE:
Yes
TAJCI:
And people can go and invite you to their schools and
MOOSE:
We’ll go anywhere
TAJCI:
Yes
MOOSE:
We go anywhere.
TAJCI:
And you know this is so cool because we just talked about because the artist that you brought in, Amy
MOOSE:
Yes, Amy Estrada.
TAJCI:
And she performs the song that talks about that girl that doesn’t, that’s not all, “Oh, I can’t do anything.”
MOOSE:
You could be strong on the outside but we’re all vulnerable. And particularly lot of women and young women now that are out and about and they’re professional and they’re out at night. They show strength on the outside but everybody’s vulnerable. And so, her song, I think, brings that out. But you can still be very strong and Amy has done just that. She’s come a long way from home and to advance her career and she’s showing a lot of strength. It’s a beautiful song I think it’s very fitting for us.
TAJCI:
Yes, well thank you so much for being here.
MOOSE:
Thank you very much for letting me be here.
AMY:
-She’s like a spring flower that catches the morning light just right
Life of the party brightest star in the dead of night
Her smile drives all the boys crazy
They all melt every time she calls them baby
They think she’s perfect
She’s known around town just like the front page news
She goes where the wind takes her like theres nothin to lose
She’s the first one you call when your hearts broken
Yeah she’s constant like the tide of the ocean
She’s heard it all before
I’ve heard it all before
I’m tough as nails, I can shoot a gun
I’m one of the boys I know how to have fun
I put up a wall, yeah I try acting tough
Throw on a smile when really I’ve just had enough
You paint me perfectly
But you can’t see through me
I dont cry pretty
She holds onto her family like they’re everything and more
Stands up for whats right, she knows what she’s fighting for
She’s proud but she has her moments
Her words is good she’s lived everyone she’s spoken
She’s heard it all before
I’ve heard it all before
I’m tough as nails, I can shoot a gun
I’m one of the boys I know how to have fun
I put up a wall, yeah I try acting tough
Throw on a smile when really I’ve just had enough
You paint me perfectly
But you can’t see through me
I dont cry pretty
I can be tough as nails, shoot a gun
One of the boys know how to have fun
Put up a wall, try actin tough
Throw on a smile when I’ve had enough…
I’m tough as nails, I can shoot a gun
I’m one of the boys I know how to have fun
I put up a wall, yeah I try acting tough
Throw on a smile when really I’ve just had enough
You paint me perfectly
But you can’t see through me
I dont cry pretty
I don’t cry pretty when Im all alone
When you hurt my feelings on the phone…
No, I don’t cry pretty
TAJCI:
I hope today’s episode is inspiring you to wake up and be vigilant and learn how to live safely in our world today. Visit WakingUpRevolution.com where you’ll find links to Moose and the Vigilance Group and learn. Be empowered. Know that you are not helpless. And then let’s change the world. Let’s together make it a safer place. If you like what we bring to you—these amazing stories and people who are game changers in the world—consider becoming a monthly contributor. Go to Patreon.com/wakingup and pledge your contribution. You’ll receive backstage footage, special messages, all kinds of perks and you’ll have a good feeling that you, too, are making a difference. Thank you so much for watching. See you soon. Stay safe.
OLGA:
I’m Olga Alexeeva. I’m the artist and owner of O’Gallery. This episode was filmed at my studio at Marathon Village, Nashville. Please visit us at OGalleryArt.com. Thank you.
